Buying Land

Gr8ful · Dec 7, 2024

According to the country taxes it was worth $24k

Gr8ful · Dec 7, 2024

Gr8ful said:
According to the country taxes it was worth $24k

Taxable/assessed Value: $12,000.00

DLTooley · Dec 8, 2024

twomountainlions said:
Yep, too many people camping and recreating in general.
And it will get worse.
Remote work will be the common standard in the future, plus, as more manual jobs get automated, there will be less location-tied jobs in general, so I expect many more people working out of scenic nature locations, and power setups will get more advanced and cheaper, plus satellite-to-cellular internet everywhere
I wish I had experienced earlier hippie van days...

Such a joy to have no one around for miles, even one rig far in sight in the desert destroys the feeling of wildness.
With own land you might see neighbors but you at least there you know who they are and what to expect and you have your boundaries. I stopped to wait out the storm on blm land/14 day limit this year, at least a mile from paved road in isolayed spot, 100 miles from a small city, for a couple of days: next thing was aggressive cop bothering me, demanding to state when I leave even though I just arrived, and it all nearly escalated. Found a couple of abandoned trashed camps there, thats what they are harassing people, used to be peaceful.

I've seen plenty of not only 40-70 acre but 10-15 acre parcels too where you couldnt see any neighbors, even though land around was privately owned and had some home on it.

Public land enforcement priority should switch from calendar days to litter. It is a blatant violation of the law to do what that officer did.

Filming the officer should help.

For what it is worth our last election was most generally a vote against this sort of legal abuse including from the electeds the judiciary they control. Trump voters have been misled, grifted even, and they will likely be figuring that out.

rruff · Dec 8, 2024

Gr8ful said:
Just saw 40 acres sell for $10k with power and great mountain views in Nevada.

Lots of remote flat scrub with no water to choose from. I wouldn't even consider grid power to be an asset... and the winter climate is too cold for me.

rruff · Dec 8, 2024

DLTooley said:
Trump voters have been misled, grifted even, and they will likely be figuring that out.

We are all being grifted, all the time.

Malamute · Dec 8, 2024

I keep seeing Alaska mentioned, and Im not positive, but the idea seems to be you can go build a cabin anywhere you want out in the "wilderness". I intended to move there 35 years ago, went up 3 times, stayed several months, had friends that lived there, the homesteading was long gone when I went in 89, there were some state land sales in remote places, but few have developed them, as its rather expensive flying, river boat,snow machining in and out and getting materials and supplies flown, river transported or snow machined in, and few people truly realize what remote living is until they step into it. Yes, theres less restrictions on what you can build, but freedom is relative and subjective. I found I wasnt happy about the absolute hoards of mosquitoes, black flies etc that are out in certain times, and Ive grown to absolutely detest snow, ice and colder weather, so Im glad I only settled in the northern rockies. Im likely to relocate to Az before long, seasonally at first, then perhaps full time. Ill miss my cabin, but I wont miss winters here.

There are some state and country regs in my state, but its mainly dealing with septic installations, outhouses (old ones are grandfathered in, new ones have to be built on a concrete vault), and water wells. Building permits are mainly so they can be sure you understand how to build back from property lines, and how to tax it. Theres been zero inspections other than those, and they come measure the sq footage of whatever you built some time later. Building something to sell has to be inspected for electric and done by a licensed electrician, same with plumbing. If you do your own and live in it 2 years then that doesnt apply.

Theres been some absolutely garbage owner built houses hit the market around here, I truly feel sorry for whoever bought some of them. Some basic codes are meant to reduce that, or people just building unsafe junk and endangering themselves and other unknowingly. I used to be against all such things, but over time have come to appreciate some of the basics.

minanimal · Dec 8, 2024

BLM rules must be enforced or we will loose access. If officers don't know arrival dates and departure dates, how can the rules be enforced? If the confrontation was bad enough to report here, but not elsewhere, I'd like to know how the officer was in the wrong.

rruff · Dec 8, 2024

minanimal said:
BLM rules must be enforced or we will loose access.

I camped on BLM land for 13 years starting in 1990 and never saw a ranger. Not once.

And no, I didn't abide the "rules". The spirit of the rules is to give them a ready avenue for leaning on somebody who is causing problems... or just somebody they don't like. I prefer to camp places where no one is around, so no one is bothered, and I'm not causing any problems.

Yes, it's a "brave new world" but so far I haven't had any issues lately either.

bullfrog ! · Dec 8, 2024

rruff said:
I camped on BLM land for 13 years starting in 1990 and never saw a ranger. Not once.

And no, I didn't abide the "rules". The spirit of the rules is to give them a ready avenue for leaning on somebody who is causing problems... or just somebody they don't like. I prefer to camp places where no one is around, so no one is bothered, and I'm not causing any problems.

Yes, it's a "brave new world" but so far I haven't had any issues lately either.

It is becoming more difficult with over flights and more visitors in my opinion.

rruff · Dec 8, 2024

bullfrog ! said:
It is becoming more difficult with over flights and more visitors in my opinion.

In my recent experience everyone clusters near the paved or well kept roads just like they always have. If you are willing to drive a mere 1/2hr from such roads, there won't be anyone near you. The big change has been the SxSs, which are everywhere.

Are they really using drones to monitor camping? If they are, I haven't noticed.

bullfrog ! · Dec 8, 2024

rruff said:
In my recent experience everyone clusters near the paved or well kept roads just like they always have. If you are willing to drive a mere 1/2hr from such roads, there won't be anyone near you. The big change has been the SxSs, which are everywhere.

Are they really using drones to monitor camping? If they are, I haven't noticed.

In some areas in some states where they have access to small planes or helicopters. Drones are presently used in rescue operations and I don’t doubt they will eventually be used if the problem of over use increases. Biggest limitation now is lack of people to enforce the rules.

rruff · Dec 8, 2024

bullfrog ! said:
I don’t doubt they will eventually be used if the problem of over use increases.

So far the apparently very scarce BLM rangers are wisely giving me a pass. If they wish to bother people there are plenty of idiots creating trash heaps that much easier to find and access.

twomountainlions · Dec 10, 2024

rruff said:
In my recent experience everyone clusters near the paved or well kept roads just like they always have. If you are willing to drive a mere 1/2hr from such roads, there won't be anyone near you. The big change has been the SxSs, which are everywhere.

Are they really using drones to monitor camping? If they are, I haven't noticed.

Well I was on a narrow overgrown 2 track dirt path at least a mile off the real road when that cop showed up.
Wait till they deploy aerial surveillance, matter of time

twomountainlions · Dec 10, 2024

bullfrog ! said:
In some areas in some states where they have access to small planes or helicopters. Drones are presently used in rescue operations and I don’t doubt they will eventually be used if the problem of over use increases. Biggest limitation now is lack of people to enforce the rules.

They dont even need drones or planes for that, they can do it all from satellites, they can see anything they want in high resolution, it was too expensive in the past but matter of time before it becomes common place. SkySat, etc. They can run facial recognition from the orbit

twomountainlions · Dec 10, 2024

bullfrog ! said:
It is becoming more difficult with over flights and more visitors in my opinion.

Yeah, very different. In Idaho so many places, pretty much entire river corridors were made designated spot only (on top of others) and 3 day camping limit now. I was in one remote part of Idaho in 2021, surprised to find it became OHV and pickup zoo, people camping everywhere like car campers sleeping on narrow trails even, this was 100 miles to cell signal and services wth?? Saw someone's blog how they went to the same place in 2021 expecting remote ad quiet and were shocked to find the crowds. I had my spot in the grass to sit by the river near my camp, was afraid to leave it for a short time even, saw some fishermen making a beeline for it, they hauled off quick once they saw me rushing back to claim the spot, some crazy circus

rruff · Dec 10, 2024

twomountainlions said:
Well I was on a narrow overgrown 2 track dirt path at least a mile off the real road when that cop showed up.

Where and what kind of cop?

twomountainlions said:
SkySat, etc.

Privately owned high tech spy satellites... why not?

twomountainlions · Dec 10, 2024

rruff said:
Where and what kind of cop?

Privately owned high tech spy satellites... why not?

They are not really private NSA is all over that, next will be patrolling public lands, thats how the counties started aerial enforcement against code violators 15 years ago or so.

I have no idea what exactly kind of cop, just wanted him gone he was very aggressive

twomountainlions · Dec 10, 2024

Malamute said:
I keep seeing Alaska mentioned, and Im not positive, but the idea seems to be you can go build a cabin anywhere you want out in the "wilderness". I intended to move there 35 years ago, went up 3 times, stayed several months, had friends that lived there, the homesteading was long gone when I went in 89, there were some state land sales in remote places, but few have developed them, as its rather expensive flying, river boat,snow machining in and out and getting materials and supplies flown, river transported or snow machined in, and few people truly realize what remote living is until they step into it. Yes, theres less restrictions on what you can build, but freedom is relative and subjective. I found I wasnt happy about the absolute hoards of mosquitoes, black flies etc that are out in certain times, and Ive grown to absolutely detest snow, ice and colder weather, so Im glad I only settled in the northern rockies. Im likely to relocate to Az before long, seasonally at first, then perhaps full time. Ill miss my cabin, but I wont miss winters here.

There are some state and country regs in my state, but its mainly dealing with septic installations, outhouses (old ones are grandfathered in, new ones have to be built on a concrete vault), and water wells. Building permits are mainly so they can be sure you understand how to build back from property lines, and how to tax it. Theres been zero inspections other than those, and they come measure the sq footage of whatever you built some time later. Building something to sell has to be inspected for electric and done by a licensed electrician, same with plumbing. If you do your own and live in it 2 years then that doesnt apply.

Theres been some absolutely garbage owner built houses hit the market around here, I truly feel sorry for whoever bought some of them. Some basic codes are meant to reduce that, or people just building unsafe junk and endangering themselves and other unknowingly. I used to be against all such things, but over time have come to appreciate some of the basics.

You had missed the end of homesteading program in Alaska by only 4 years...
A couple could get 160 acres for free, pretty awesome times. Oh well.
Yeah mosquitoes are bad but I'm getting laughed at so hard by all the people from mosquito regions when I complain, they don't even pay attention to them. Supposedly takes a year or two to adapt, just got to get bitten a lot.

As to crappy houses: its solely buyers' due diligence matter, buyers should not blame anyone but themselves. They can build own if they dont like what's for sale. Codes are illegal fraud

rruff · Dec 10, 2024

twomountainlions said:
Supposedly takes a year or two to adapt.

I adapted to mosquitoes on Kauai pretty quick. Still got bit... constantly... but they quit leaving welts. I haven't experienced that anyplace else I've lived though. Don't think I'd want to count on it!

Gr8ful · Dec 10, 2024

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