SternWake
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The voltage that a Vehicle's voltage regulator allows, plays a huge huge part in both starting battery longevity, but even more so, house battery longevity when the alternator is to be the majority, perhaps only charging source.
Voltage is electrical pressure, so the higher the pressure between source and load, the more amps can flow
Older vehicles, from about '88 and earlier had external voltage regulators on the firewall, set to a constant voltage, like 14 or 14.2v.
Some alternators have the voltage regulator internal to them.
Some other vehicles have the voltage regulator inside the engine computer.
My 89 dodge b250 is such a vehicle, and I swear its voltage regulator is bat crap crazy. it will choose either 13.7v, or 14.9v, and very rarely 13.9 or 14.
I have never discerned any logic as to why or when it chooses these voltages when it does.
Needless to say it is frustrating when it holds 14.9v, and I know for a fact my battery is 100% full, and does not need to be held at 14.9v.
It is also frustrating when my battery is depleted and the VR decides 13.7v is just fine and dandy. Well, 12 peasley amps might be required to hold the battery at 13.7v, but if the VR were seeking 14.9v, then 50 amps or more might be required. Fine and Dandy my ass.
If I am driving for 20 minutes with a depleted battery, I want 50 amps, not 12, But I could not control this and the ECM chose, poorly, more often than not.
If I am driving for hours, with an already fully charged battery, I want 13.7v, not 14.9v, But I could not previously control this, and the ecm chose poorly, more often than not.
Note the past tense.
Now wiring up an external voltage regulator is not rocket science. There are a few kits out there which allow one to bypass the internal voltage regulator on Dodges with internal to the ECM VR's, without causing the Check engine light to illuminate.:
http://store.alternatorparts.com/er...gulator-conversion-field-replacement-kit.aspx
I bought their 'field replacement module'. for way too much money with shipping.
It is just a 50 watt 10 OHM resistor one can get on Ebay for under 3$.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-10-Ohm...129131?hash=item3a9254b92b:g:~IIAAOSwoQ1TobUr
I did NOT buy their mopar voltage regulator kit. I bought a Ford voltage regulator, a Transpo540HD. Inside of this VR, there is a little voltage adjustment potentiometer.
It is a 2K ohm Bourns potentiometer:
http://www.bourns.com/docs/Product-Datasheets/3386.pdf?sfvrsn=3
There was a little plastic ring under this potentiometer and it was submerged in the potting. I used a razor blade i bent with some heat, on some needle nose vice grips to cut the bond between ring and black potting and potentiometer. Then I was able to bend the potentiometer upwards and with some magnification and a dremel with sharp bits, abraded the potting away from the 3 legs. The two legs on the right are connected electrically,. no resistance between them, but there is resistance between them and the leg on the far left. The shaft diameter on the dremel tools is 1/8" inch for a sense of scale.
I used some precision nippers and cut the potentiometer off at the legs,leaving me a few MM above the potting in which to attach wires.
After twisting , sheathing and inserting the sheathing in a ferrite ring, I soldered the wires, and then used 'Amazing Goop' to hold wire sheathing tightly to VR. I've read the POtentiometer leads are susceptible to RFI interference. The ferrite ring and twisting the wires are an attempt to negate the RFI.
I messed up the location of the first hole, putting it on the top of the casing. Out the side proved the better option.
The VR needs to be well grounded. I crimped this 10awg into a standard ring terminal with yellow insulation removed with my HFT hydraulic crimper, and then soldered it to the body of the voltage regulator, having practiced this on my rebuilt alligator clamps.
In the above photo one can see 4 letters on the black plastic, I A S F
I......is for the idiot light, for now, I just covered this terminal with blue heatshrink. I have a voltmeter facing the drivers seat. No light needed.
A..... is for the Always Hot. I ran this to the (+) stud on the alternator, but it would be better to have it go directly to battery(+) stud. Since I have thick cable between this stud and battery it is not as important
S is the switched hot. This is supposed to be live with the engine running. I found a unused and badly oxidized 12v terminal under my dashboard which accepted a quick connector. When testing, I found this wire was not hot with ignition on, it was only hot with the engine actually running. perfect for my intentions.
F. This terminal goes to One of the two Field connections on the externally regulated alternator. The other field terminal must be grounded.
I ordered a new Bourns 2K ohm 10 turn potentiometer from Ebay fpr under 5$. It took 9 weeks to arrive from China, kind of surprising as it is made in Mexico, and it came with a turns counter. This will be mounted to my dashboard near my voltmeters.
This whole project is about allowing me to choose any voltage I want when driving.
I tested it yesterday and danced a little jig, once I made sure no one was watching, then laughed like a maniac, then proceeded to finalize the harness with proper terminations and much thicker wiring than required. I retasked some quality 12awg which used to run from charge controller to battery.
Earless crimps are more desirable, but Oh well, the Hydraulic crimper dies are not perfectly sized for this 10-12 ring terminal.
I really like my 140 watt soldering gun. i do this out of a sense of overkill/ anal retentiveness, and practice more than for better conductivity and or corrosion resistance. As the crimp is solid, no solder can wick up the wire and possibly make it fragile. Unneeded overkill. Isn't that the name of a band?
I decided to locate the VR inside, behind my glove box. Since it is well grounded directly to alternator, I do not even need to mount it to the firewall. A bad ground on external voltage regulators is the cause of many charging system failures on pre 90's vehicles.
My new wiring harness also has a 6 foot long thermocouple which I have attached to the stator exterior with thermal epoxy. Soon I will have some Data on how hot the alternator gets at and near maximum output, idling vs driving.
I mounted the 'trick the ECM' resistor on a much larger finned heatsink, and put it on the transmission fill tube nearby. Not ideal but the other options were less desirable That stainless wire can be snipped off and the resistor easily relocated.:
It got really hot in my 5 minute long test, Which was dismaying as the battery was full at the time, the field current only 1.8 amps at 14.9v. This resistor is simply to trick the ECM into not flashing the check engine light. But I had started the engine without any voltage regulaltor attached, and the light did not come on. My battery was able to maintain 12.8 volts, perhaps it would have come on if I had driven or after a period of time, or if voltage dropped lower, but perhaps it would not come on at all.
I did test the original ECM voltage regulator after my test of the transpo540hd VR and was not damaged by the test. It is still functional. Very easy to return it to use if the Transpo VR fails.
My vehicle uses 8.2 amps just to idle the engine without the alternator operational. Always wondered about that figure, never tested it before but did so when I was testing the 12v feed under the dash.
Anyways, If my insanity in regards to lead acid battery charging was not obvious to members here before, a potentiometer on my dashboard for controlling ideal voltages when I drive surely places me firmly in the looney bin.
The potentiometer installation on my gauge cowling is the last thing I 'need' to do to complete this project.
The ability to of this adjustable voltage regulator will open up the possibilities of charging Lifepo4 batteries in the future . The 14.9v on LIfepo4 is way way too much. It is too much for my AGM, but it handled it.
In my test I ranged the voltage from 13.1 to 14.9v, but did not push the dial past those extremes. Could be a danger zone to electronics going much higher than 15 and perhaps dangerous to the VR if the battery voltage is higher than the intended output. I know not.
I am not sure if another value resistor would keep the CEL off as well and get less hot. I hate to think of the wasted power going to heating that 10 OHM resistor. I also wonder if something in the ECM is getting that hot as well, that was not, before this modification.
I'll have more pics when the Pot is mounted next to the 2 voltmeters on my dash.
I am not sure how this modification might be applicable to other makes and models, or if there is any interest in such a modification.
What should be neat is with the turns counter, i will know the value for say 13.1 volts, and on initial start up, instead of my ECM's VR seeking 14.9v right off the bat, and maxing out the alternator on a cold engine, the 13.1 volts will cause much less amps to have to flow, causing less stress on an engine whose cold oil is too thick to lubricate properly. I've also had issues with a wet alternator belt screeching when the battery is depleted and asking for everything the alternator can make. So this modification allows me to effectively limit alternator output, indirectly through voltage.
It is said each 25 amps the alternator has to produce eats up one engine HP, so when cold i could see this causing less start up wear, and give the deleted battery a little heads up before cramming 60+ amps down its throat at 14.5v
Voltage is electrical pressure, so the higher the pressure between source and load, the more amps can flow
Older vehicles, from about '88 and earlier had external voltage regulators on the firewall, set to a constant voltage, like 14 or 14.2v.
Some alternators have the voltage regulator internal to them.
Some other vehicles have the voltage regulator inside the engine computer.
My 89 dodge b250 is such a vehicle, and I swear its voltage regulator is bat crap crazy. it will choose either 13.7v, or 14.9v, and very rarely 13.9 or 14.
I have never discerned any logic as to why or when it chooses these voltages when it does.
Needless to say it is frustrating when it holds 14.9v, and I know for a fact my battery is 100% full, and does not need to be held at 14.9v.
It is also frustrating when my battery is depleted and the VR decides 13.7v is just fine and dandy. Well, 12 peasley amps might be required to hold the battery at 13.7v, but if the VR were seeking 14.9v, then 50 amps or more might be required. Fine and Dandy my ass.
If I am driving for 20 minutes with a depleted battery, I want 50 amps, not 12, But I could not control this and the ECM chose, poorly, more often than not.
If I am driving for hours, with an already fully charged battery, I want 13.7v, not 14.9v, But I could not previously control this, and the ecm chose poorly, more often than not.
Note the past tense.
Now wiring up an external voltage regulator is not rocket science. There are a few kits out there which allow one to bypass the internal voltage regulator on Dodges with internal to the ECM VR's, without causing the Check engine light to illuminate.:
http://store.alternatorparts.com/er...gulator-conversion-field-replacement-kit.aspx
I bought their 'field replacement module'. for way too much money with shipping.
It is just a 50 watt 10 OHM resistor one can get on Ebay for under 3$.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-10-Ohm...129131?hash=item3a9254b92b:g:~IIAAOSwoQ1TobUr
I did NOT buy their mopar voltage regulator kit. I bought a Ford voltage regulator, a Transpo540HD. Inside of this VR, there is a little voltage adjustment potentiometer.
It is a 2K ohm Bourns potentiometer:
http://www.bourns.com/docs/Product-Datasheets/3386.pdf?sfvrsn=3
There was a little plastic ring under this potentiometer and it was submerged in the potting. I used a razor blade i bent with some heat, on some needle nose vice grips to cut the bond between ring and black potting and potentiometer. Then I was able to bend the potentiometer upwards and with some magnification and a dremel with sharp bits, abraded the potting away from the 3 legs. The two legs on the right are connected electrically,. no resistance between them, but there is resistance between them and the leg on the far left. The shaft diameter on the dremel tools is 1/8" inch for a sense of scale.
I used some precision nippers and cut the potentiometer off at the legs,leaving me a few MM above the potting in which to attach wires.
After twisting , sheathing and inserting the sheathing in a ferrite ring, I soldered the wires, and then used 'Amazing Goop' to hold wire sheathing tightly to VR. I've read the POtentiometer leads are susceptible to RFI interference. The ferrite ring and twisting the wires are an attempt to negate the RFI.
I messed up the location of the first hole, putting it on the top of the casing. Out the side proved the better option.
The VR needs to be well grounded. I crimped this 10awg into a standard ring terminal with yellow insulation removed with my HFT hydraulic crimper, and then soldered it to the body of the voltage regulator, having practiced this on my rebuilt alligator clamps.
In the above photo one can see 4 letters on the black plastic, I A S F
I......is for the idiot light, for now, I just covered this terminal with blue heatshrink. I have a voltmeter facing the drivers seat. No light needed.
A..... is for the Always Hot. I ran this to the (+) stud on the alternator, but it would be better to have it go directly to battery(+) stud. Since I have thick cable between this stud and battery it is not as important
S is the switched hot. This is supposed to be live with the engine running. I found a unused and badly oxidized 12v terminal under my dashboard which accepted a quick connector. When testing, I found this wire was not hot with ignition on, it was only hot with the engine actually running. perfect for my intentions.
F. This terminal goes to One of the two Field connections on the externally regulated alternator. The other field terminal must be grounded.
I ordered a new Bourns 2K ohm 10 turn potentiometer from Ebay fpr under 5$. It took 9 weeks to arrive from China, kind of surprising as it is made in Mexico, and it came with a turns counter. This will be mounted to my dashboard near my voltmeters.
This whole project is about allowing me to choose any voltage I want when driving.
I tested it yesterday and danced a little jig, once I made sure no one was watching, then laughed like a maniac, then proceeded to finalize the harness with proper terminations and much thicker wiring than required. I retasked some quality 12awg which used to run from charge controller to battery.
Earless crimps are more desirable, but Oh well, the Hydraulic crimper dies are not perfectly sized for this 10-12 ring terminal.
I really like my 140 watt soldering gun. i do this out of a sense of overkill/ anal retentiveness, and practice more than for better conductivity and or corrosion resistance. As the crimp is solid, no solder can wick up the wire and possibly make it fragile. Unneeded overkill. Isn't that the name of a band?
I decided to locate the VR inside, behind my glove box. Since it is well grounded directly to alternator, I do not even need to mount it to the firewall. A bad ground on external voltage regulators is the cause of many charging system failures on pre 90's vehicles.
My new wiring harness also has a 6 foot long thermocouple which I have attached to the stator exterior with thermal epoxy. Soon I will have some Data on how hot the alternator gets at and near maximum output, idling vs driving.
I mounted the 'trick the ECM' resistor on a much larger finned heatsink, and put it on the transmission fill tube nearby. Not ideal but the other options were less desirable That stainless wire can be snipped off and the resistor easily relocated.:
It got really hot in my 5 minute long test, Which was dismaying as the battery was full at the time, the field current only 1.8 amps at 14.9v. This resistor is simply to trick the ECM into not flashing the check engine light. But I had started the engine without any voltage regulaltor attached, and the light did not come on. My battery was able to maintain 12.8 volts, perhaps it would have come on if I had driven or after a period of time, or if voltage dropped lower, but perhaps it would not come on at all.
I did test the original ECM voltage regulator after my test of the transpo540hd VR and was not damaged by the test. It is still functional. Very easy to return it to use if the Transpo VR fails.
My vehicle uses 8.2 amps just to idle the engine without the alternator operational. Always wondered about that figure, never tested it before but did so when I was testing the 12v feed under the dash.
Anyways, If my insanity in regards to lead acid battery charging was not obvious to members here before, a potentiometer on my dashboard for controlling ideal voltages when I drive surely places me firmly in the looney bin.
The potentiometer installation on my gauge cowling is the last thing I 'need' to do to complete this project.
The ability to of this adjustable voltage regulator will open up the possibilities of charging Lifepo4 batteries in the future . The 14.9v on LIfepo4 is way way too much. It is too much for my AGM, but it handled it.
In my test I ranged the voltage from 13.1 to 14.9v, but did not push the dial past those extremes. Could be a danger zone to electronics going much higher than 15 and perhaps dangerous to the VR if the battery voltage is higher than the intended output. I know not.
I am not sure if another value resistor would keep the CEL off as well and get less hot. I hate to think of the wasted power going to heating that 10 OHM resistor. I also wonder if something in the ECM is getting that hot as well, that was not, before this modification.
I'll have more pics when the Pot is mounted next to the 2 voltmeters on my dash.
I am not sure how this modification might be applicable to other makes and models, or if there is any interest in such a modification.
What should be neat is with the turns counter, i will know the value for say 13.1 volts, and on initial start up, instead of my ECM's VR seeking 14.9v right off the bat, and maxing out the alternator on a cold engine, the 13.1 volts will cause much less amps to have to flow, causing less stress on an engine whose cold oil is too thick to lubricate properly. I've also had issues with a wet alternator belt screeching when the battery is depleted and asking for everything the alternator can make. So this modification allows me to effectively limit alternator output, indirectly through voltage.
It is said each 25 amps the alternator has to produce eats up one engine HP, so when cold i could see this causing less start up wear, and give the deleted battery a little heads up before cramming 60+ amps down its throat at 14.5v