SalsaDog said:I just finished some update reading on Bob's blog page, pertaining to info when stopped
by an officer. As for search & seizure legalities, what are the laws in regard to our campers
or converted cargo trailers?
Colorado Slim said:if you really have nothing, you can give consent, but I would ask what they are looking for, and if it's dope, ask if they are working interdiction and if so, what DEA Group they are working with............it's all about attitude,...............be cool and most times, they have to send you on your way rather timely.............Spoken from experience. Lesson here is.................don't carry any illegal shit.
cognitive dissonance said:They may trash your vehicle, find nothing and let you go. Or, if they don't like you or are covering themselves, they may go ahead and plant the bag one of them had in their pocket...
This ruse is so common nationwide it can only be described as standard operating procedure. I learned about it over 30 years ago from a cop who was a good friend at the time. Everyone involved - cops, prosecutors, defense attorneys, judges - they all know the score. They play along, too. Every damned one of them.
buckwilk said:Are there bad cops? Yes. Bad parents? Yes. Bad governments? Yes. Bad people? Yes.
cognitive dissonance said:Sorry if was unclear. I never meant to imply this ruse was employed EVERY time there was a traffic stop. That would be too much work.
However, it IS employed nationwide whenever and wherever a cop really wants to search your vehicle(s).
As to LE corruption, a few google searches along the lines of "police misconduct" "police brutality" "police corruption" will keep you in reading material for months. You seem to like youtube for evidence, so go there and start some searches with "cop shoots..." after which you can add in words like "dog" or "kid" or "man".
When you get bored with the shootings, you can start all over again with "cop beats"...
After you spend a few hours watching that stuff and a weekend reading some google search results, get back to me regarding the integrity of American law enforcement.
And no, I don't like any of this one bit, but willful ignorance will only make this nation's bad problems worse.
MK7 said:In general, if you allow them to search....they will wreck the hell out of your rig w/o much care in the world, looking for drugs. So don't let them and don't give them probable cause.
MK7 said:Even in this case, I don't think I'd let them search neither. Vandwelling is pretty much a hidden sub-culture and most people don't understand it, including many cops, I bet...especially the Rookies. If I weren't on here to know about it, I'd think that Vandwellers are homeless or criminals if I'd see them at Walmart....the very least shady people. My van, with all the setup to live in and camping equipment, would probably make someone think of a rolling meth lab, like in Breaking Bad.
Here's a vandwelling girl who CONSENTED TO A SEARCH in Virginia.....it didn't go well for her b/c they ransacked her van, right in the street. She's not very bright and has a ton of bad advice, but her good advice is to not consent to searches because she did, once. This part is at 5 minutes 10 seconds.
I would just be polite while asserting my rights. Another interesting strategy is to watch the TV show, COPS.....I love this show....but on the educational side, it shows you how cops interact with people.....very, very, very telling. And this is with cameras rolling for a 10+ year old show, so these cops are on their BEST behavior....and they're probably the cream of the the crop. Alone, 2am in an empty parking lot.....you may get an asshole cop. I say mount 1 or 2 old smartphones and put them on record for such encounters.
USACelt said:In My eyes, Cops deal with the worst of the worst 99% of the time. Bad guys lie and deceive to stay out of jail. I am assuming cops are expert at detecting deceit and lies. If you act or look the part your going to get trouble.
I am not pro or con cops, they have a job to do.
66788 said:NEVER let them search a vehicle. Especially when they say "If you have nothing to hide, why don't you let us search your vehicle?" Smile and tell them that you do not consent to a search.
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