Run, don't walk! Buy this one in Vancouver!!!

[bcbullet]

I already have a similar one built only bigger. Some of you may have seen it already ( http://www.cheaprvliving.com/forums/Thread-Anybody-convert-one-of-these?pid=177029#pid177029 ) 

This one is in Vancouver and while I have not seen it personally, it looks like it would be a steal!!! Propane powered and I suspect the installed furnace is plumbed into the main tank, lots of storage and great industrial stealth! 60,000 Miles only, the big wheels vs 16 inchers, the cab interior looks great and the build would be quick and easy...$3950.00 CDN before taxes. Note the rare integral under-box bins for batteries or waste/water tanks etc.

http://www.repo.com/listing/4616

Here is a teaser photo:

 

[BradKW]

That really does look like a good deal...everything in place to make a conversion quite handy

 

[BigT]

Didn't somebody say something about LPG tanks having to be regularly checked, annually certified, having an expiration date, and being very expensive to replace when they get too old?  

Not trying to poo poo the ad, just something to consider when the price seems too reasonable.

 

[bcbullet]

Didn't somebody say something about LPG tanks having to be regularly checked, annually certified, having an expiration date, and being very expensive to replace when they get too old?  

Not trying to poo poo the ad, just something to consider when the price seems too reasonable.

Here in BC anyways, as long as the vehicle has the original approval decal from the original conversion copmpany, there is no annual inspection, no tank inspection, nothing further required ever...AS LONG AS THE DECAL IS INTACT. There is a pile of confusion on this, but propane powered vehicles do not fall under the same regs as portable tanks. I researched this until my hair follicles bled before we bought and converted a Dodge factory conversion 2500 van. It finally took a phone call to a conversion company to get the straight dope.

That being said, we were actually turned away from refilling once because the flunky running the pump could not find the approval stamp on the tank. Even after explaining and asking how many of his co-workers he had witnessed crawling around under vehicles he would not budge. This was at the last station out of town in Port Alberni BC headed to Tofino. We had to back track into town and fill there.

The decal looks like this:



Edit...this is not to be confused with the normal RV approval for built in systems, this applies only to propane POWERED vehicles.

 

[VJG1977]

Didn't somebody say something about LPG tanks having to be regularly checked, annually certified, having an expiration date, and being very expensive to replace when they get too old?  

Not trying to poo poo the ad, just something to consider when the price seems too reasonable.

in Canada  http://www.propane.ca/en/about-propane/safety

Propane tanks must be equipped with a pressure relief valve that opens and closes to prevent excessive internal pressure due to abnormal conditions.
The 2007 edition of the Propane Storage and Handling Code introduced a new requirement that cylinders, of 40lbs propane capacity and less be equipped with an Overfill Protection Device (OPD). The OPD is certified as a secondary device and is meant as a back stop device in case the attendant accidently tries to overfill the cylinder.
Marks are stamped onto the collar of cylinders identifying the original date of manufacture and any subsequent re-testing dates. For a diagram that explains how to read the collar, click here.
Cylinders must be inspected and requalified every 10 years – it is against the law to fill an outdated cylinder. The disposal or requalification of a cylinder must be done by organizations that have the appropriate equipment, training and certification to do so, and which have been certified by Transport Canada to do the work.


In the US
From several sites:
ASME certified tanks in motor homes do not follow the same rules as portable DOT certified tanks and generally do not need to be re-certified.  DOT cylinders are subject to re-certification (also known as re-qualification) twelve years from their date of manufacture and every five years after that.  

If the tank has a protective collar (aka BBQ forklift etc.) it's a DOT cylinder and needs to be re-certified at 12 yrs.  If it has a welded on nameplate it's an ASME tank and requires no recertification. The nameplate has to be legible and intact to legally be filled.

 

[bcbullet]

in Canada  http://www.propane.ca/en/about-propane/safety

Propane tanks must be equipped with a pressure relief valve that opens and closes to prevent excessive internal pressure due to abnormal conditions.
The 2007 edition of the Propane Storage and Handling Code introduced a new requirement that cylinders, of 40lbs propane capacity and less be equipped with an Overfill Protection Device (OPD). The OPD is certified as a secondary device and is meant as a back stop device in case the attendant accidently tries to overfill the cylinder.
Marks are stamped onto the collar of cylinders identifying the original date of manufacture and any subsequent re-testing dates. For a diagram that explains how to read the collar, click here.
Cylinders must be inspected and requalified every 10 years – it is against the law to fill an outdated cylinder. The disposal or requalification of a cylinder must be done by organizations that have the appropriate equipment, training and certification to do so, and which have been certified by Transport Canada to do the work.


In the US
From several sites:
ASME certified tanks in motor homes do not follow the same rules as portable DOT certified tanks and generally do not need to be re-certified.  DOT cylinders are subject to re-certification (also known as re-qualification) twelve years from their date of manufacture and every five years after that.  

If the tank has a protective collar (aka BBQ forklift etc.) it's a DOT cylinder and needs to be re-certified at 12 yrs.  If it has a welded on nameplate it's an ASME tank and requires no recertification. The nameplate has to be legible and intact to legally be filled.

This is the confusion I am talking about...the link you provided serves only to muddy the waters as the red font above is talking about PORTABLE cylinders for BBQ's etc. There are no collars on VEHICLE tanks. We are not talking about RV heating/cooking systems. The US regs you reference in the purple font above applies in Canada as well. 

I apologize if this is what your post meant to say, but as written it leads the reader to believe the vehicle tank needs re-certification which is not the case.

 

[Willy]

Propane powered vehicles, for the most part, utilize ASME tanks which DON'T require re-certification every X amount of years. The metal on them is also considerably thicker than that found on a portable (barbecue style) tank. My rig is propane powered and I made damned sure of this. ..Willy.

 

[VJG1977]

This is the confusion I am talking about...the link you provided serves only to muddy the waters as the red font above is talking about PORTABLE cylinders for BBQ's etc. There are no collars on VEHICLE tanks. We are not talking about RV heating/cooking systems. The US regs you reference in the purple font above applies in Canada as well. 

I apologize if this is what your post meant to say, but as written it leads the reader to believe the vehicle tank needs re-certification which is not the case.

No [font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]apologize necessary, this is very confusing.  I went to the Canadian Propane Association web site and I am still  confused.  They do not make it easy to locate the correct information.  Do you have a link that shows that vehicle tanks do not  need re-certification.  I can not find  anything conclusive.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]http://www.propane.ca/sites/default/files/files/AuthoritiesHavingJurisdiction_Auto_En_2012.pdf[/font]

http://www.propane.ca/sites/default/files/files/Authorities_Having_Jurisdiction_2014_E.pdf

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]http://www.tempheat.ca/services/propane-tank-recertification[/font]
Has this to say "Automotive tanks used for motor fuel must be inspected and recertified every 5 years at a government approved facility. Tempheat is not licensed for automotive tank approval."

 

[bcbullet]

Well, this has taken me down a rabbit hole I hoped never to repeat. As stated in my earlier post, the only means to which I obtained the answer to tank re-qualification was to phone a LPG vehicle installation conversion company. Even the local contact with the BC Safety Authority I interact with at work could not come up with an informed answer. The web is full of anecdotal stories but the important part is as follows: 
-cylinders are portable, have a ring at the top and the base and must be re-qualified (not re-certified....this is important when discussing this), are built to DOT regulations and are not permanently affixed
-tanks are permanently attached, have a welded name plate, are built to ASME standards and do not require re-qualification. If there is obvious damage through visual inspection or the name plate is missing the tanks cannot be used.

The following links should make for some interesting reading for a Saturday night!
https://www.nfpa.org/Assets/files/AboutTheCodes/58/NFPA_58-1995.pdf  2-2.1.5 is the meat of the matter
http://phmsa.dot.gov/pv_obj_cache/p...000CB96E0B0200/filename/smalllpgas-chapt3.pdf
http://www.lp-gasequipment.com/docs/Qualified ASME Containers.pdf

 

[VJG1977]

Found this @ http://forums.trailerlife.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/24783532/print/true.cfm

Ministry of Consumer Services
777 Bay Street. 5th Floor 
Toronto ON M7A 2J3
Tel: (416) 326-2826
Fax: (416) 325-6192

February 7, 2011

Dear Mr. Spence,

Thank you for your email regarding propane tanks associated with recreational motor homes (RVs).

As you are aware, the Technical Standards and Safety Authority (TSSA) is responsible for the administration and enforcement of the Technical Standards and Safety Act, 2000 (the Act) and its regulations on behalf of the province of Ontario. The TSSA is responsible for all aspects of day-to-day regulatory service delivery for the industries that are subject to the Act.

The role of the ministry is to set the appropriate safety standards through regulations under the Act and to monitor the performance of the TSSA to ensure that it is meeting its regulatory responsibilities.

The propane regulation (0. Reg. 211/01) requires that any vehicle fuelled by propane shall have a sticker attached to the windshield stating the word "Propane" and the expiry date upon which the vehicle cannot be fuelled. A passing inspection of the propane system would allow for a new sticker that would be valid for 5 years. However, the propane fuelled motor homes that have a permanent mounted tank (as opposed to a portable cylinder) that fuels only the appliances would not have a sticker. RV owners need to have a document issued by a propane technician stating that the tank has been inspected and found safe for use for the next 5 years (a 5-year inspection is required on the tank). More information about the Act and its regulations can be found online at www.e-Iaws.gov.on.ca.

With regards to information on propane refill and inspection sites, you can find this information on TSSA's website (www.tssa.org) under 'Find A Contractor'. Please note that the directory is updated periodically and, as a result, status changes in the preceding period are not reflected online until the directory is revised. For the most up-to-date registered contractor information, please contact TSSA's Contact Centre toll-free at 1-877-682-8772.

Again, thank you for writing.


Sincerely,
Rosalind Lerman
Director, Sector Liaison Branch 

Then found this,

http://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/010211?search=211/01

Operation of an appliance or work
18.  (1)  No distributor shall supply propane to a container that is connected to an appliance or work unless the distributor is satisfied that the installation and use of the appliance or work complies with the Act and this Regulation and,
(a) unless the distributor has inspected the appliance or work at least once within the previous 10 years; or
(b) unless the distributor has inspected the appliance or work in accordance with a quality assurance inspection program.  O. Reg. 211/01, s. 18 (1).
(2)  A distributor shall prepare a report of every inspection made under subsection (1) and shall retain the report until the next inspection and report are completed.  O. Reg. 211/01, s. 18 (2).
(3)  This section does not apply to propane vehicles, industrial vehicles or to appliances on highway vehicles or recreational vehicles.  O. Reg. 211/01, s. 18 (3).