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[font=Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif]I'm trying to charge two golf batteries , I have a Honda 2000 for power ,,,,,,,What do you think about this charger for boondocking ?[/font]

[font=Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif]PD9260C - 60 Amp RV Converter/Charge[/font]
 
They sell a version that seeks 14.8v. They also have a 9270 model for.ten extra amps when the batteries can take that much.

Not sure the honda could handle it. The ability to force it to seek 14.4 to 14.8v is pretty key for generator charging.

Sorry to hear the powermax performed poorly. Have been hearing that on other forums tooo.

Sorry to have ever recommended that adjustable voltage model.
 
SternWake said:
They sell  a version that seeks 14.8v.  They also have a 9270 model for.ten extra amps when the batteries can take that much.

Not sure the honda could handle it. The ability to force it to seek 14.4  to 14.8v  is pretty key for generator  charging.

Sorry to hear the powermax performed poorly. Have been hearing that on other forums tooo.

Sorry to have ever recommended  that adjustable  voltage model.
Bfl13 on Rv.net recommended the Powermax to me , I think you have me mixed up with someone else  ,  
Anyway Best converters is going to give me a refund for the Powermax. 
I was under the impression that the Pd9260 was able to be set to different modes one of them being 14.8 volts bulk
 
Mobilesport said:
Bfl13 on Rv.net recommended the Powermax to me , I think you have me mixed up with someone else  ,  
Anyway Best converters is going to give me a refund for the Powermax. 
I was under the impression that the Pd9260 was able to be set to different modes one of them being 14.8 volts bulk

Three voltage modes can be sought with PD converters via the external pendant.  13.2, 13.6 and 14.4v.

Because Trojan and some other batteries are recommending absorption voltages over 14.4v voltage they also now offer a model that goes to 14.8v absorption voltage and this would be better for generator charging.  Make sure you seek this 14.8v model as the standard one only does 14.4v.

'Bulk voltage' is really not  a valid term despite widespread incorrect usage.

 In the bulk stage, the charging source outputs maximum current until absorption voltage is achieved, so 'bulk voltage' could be be anything from 0.0 volts to 14.4 or 14.7v 

You might want to ensure any new converter you get has more than adequate ventilation.  Heat is a large contributing factor to the destruction of electronics and chargers make the most heat when in bulk mode, outputting everything they can, which is what you will subject the charger to when deeply cycling the batteries and generator charging them at the limit of the charger's output.

My 40 amp adjustable voltage  meanwell power supply ( rsp-500-15) has now been modified with extra heatsinks and fans to keep it as cool as possible during the time  the battery can suck up 35+ amps from it.  It does not generate much heat below 32 amps output, but at 40 it certainly does.

Meanwell sells a rsp-750-15 model which should be good for 60 amps and also be able to equalize your batteries at 16v when required.

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Mean-Well/RSP-750-15/?qs=21bV/TPs%2bw9GwnYgmXLW7A==

No charge 'stages' though, a full manual charger, which is good for generator recharging to ensure max output the entire time the generator is running
 
Will the  [font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]rsp-500-15 run off of a Honda 1000?[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Also , how long have you had this charger ? [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Any problems with it?[/font]
 
Mobilesport said:
Will the  [font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]rsp-500-15 run off of a Honda 1000?[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Also , how long have you had this charger ? [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Any problems with it?[/font]

My meanwell adjustable voltage power supply will be in operation 2 years in October.  I tend to use it at full output at least once a week, and overnight floating at 13.6v a night or 2 a week, more in winter.

It is power factor corrected meaning it puts out more dc amp output for less AC input than a non PFC power supply/charger/converter.

I have never tried powering it on a Honda 1000, nor have I measured its AC amperage at full DC output but I am pretty sure it can be powered by a honda 1000 at full output not on eco mode and not at too high an elevation.



It is a 500 watt power supply which can hold 600 watts.

https://vanlivingforum.com/Thread-My-newest-electrical-toy

Adjusting the voltage with the tiny potentiometer on the unit is not so easy, and the mini potentiometer is only rated for about 50 cycles/ adjustments.

I replaced it with a 10 turn 1k OHM potentiometer but this voided the warranty as I opened it up to access the circuit board.

If it failed tomorrow, I'd still buy another one over any other option.

My extra heatsinking and ventilation should greatly extend its longevity.  Without the extra fans the privided 40MM fan would kick on often and it was very loud even at low amperage output levels.  With the extra heatsinking and ventilation the loud fan only turns after 10 + minutes at 34+ amps and 65f+ ambient temps.

If you got some DIY in you the meanwell makes a very good option.  Without the DIY  confidence, the adjustable voltage powermax appeared( past tense) to be the best OTC adjustable option.

If you got a honda 2000 then the Meanwell  rsp-750-15 is likely the better choice.  Set it to 15 volts and run it as long as you care to run the generator and it should hold 60 amps solid until the batteries cannot accept 60 amps.

There is the option of a Megawatt power supply.  Less expensive but similar in function, but the max voltage will only be 15.3 to 15.5v and Trojan has recently upped their recommended EQ voltages from 15.5 to 16.2v.

My previous flooded battery ( group31 USbattery) needed 16V eq charges, 15.5v would just bubble vigorously without raising Specific gravity to the maximum.  16V could do the task in under 2 hours.

http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/

JimInDenver had a megawatt but it failed, and I think the suspected culprit was fan failure/overheating, but the autopsy has not yet been performed.

I had a PD9245 briefly when i designed up a friend's portable(100+#) powerpack.  It was nice to press a button and force the charger to seek 14.4v, but it would only exceed 40 amps for the first few minutes before settling in the 38 amp range.  My meanwell could charge faster if it were a race, and Generator recharging can be considered a race.

PDs have a better longevity reputation than does powermax.

Iotas can be opened up, and warranty voided, but can be adjusted via a potentiometer to a higher absorption voltage and are said to be able to hold their max rated output when on a generator better than the PD's.

I have run my 25 amp schumacher and my 40 amp Meanwell in parallel without issue, other than having to bump the meanwell voltage to over 15 to keep it at full output until the battery could not accept more than 65 amps.  Once it could only accept 40 amps or less I'd just remove the schumacher and set voltage to the desired voltage based on temperature and manufacturer recommendations.

I know some fear parallel charging sources, but issues really only arise when the battery has reached the absorption voltage of one charger or the other, and at that point usually one of the chargers can take over to hold that absorption voltage.  When there is the word 'automatic' involved in a charging source, then they get confused when the other charging source has battery voltage above 12.6 or so, so one needs to trick the smart charger into going into bulk mode, by lowering voltage below this threshold  by applying a large load on battery then restarting both chargers at nearly the same time, then removing load from battery.

Having 2 plug in charging sources gives you some safety net too.

If your batteries are sulfated, then they will rise to absorption voltage faster and amps start tapering earlier.  The EQ charge performed every so often can allow the batteries to take more amperage and rise to absorption voltage slower, basically recharging faster to the 80% charged level.

If 40 amps nearly instantly brings your  current batteries to absorption voltage, then there is no benefit to having a 60 amp charger, other than it will not get as hot, and when you do replace the batteries, then the new ones should be easily able to accept 60 amps and voltage rise slower to absorption voltage.

in general, with generator recharging, blast them with as high an amperage as you can muster, and have a charging source which seeks and holds 14.4+ volts the entire time the generator is running.

The PD's charge wizard/pendant can force it to seek 14.4v or 14.8v if that specific model (14.8v) is chosen.

A life at maximum output is hard on any charging source, so another computer fan resting against the case can allow it to not only last longer, but output more amps for longer while the generator runs feeding heavily depleted batteries which can still accept more than the charging source(s) can generate
 
Sternwakde wrote
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]"The PD's charge wizard/pendant can force it to seek 14.4v or 14.8v if that specific model (14.8v) is chosen"[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Is there a model number for the pd9260 that provides the 14.8 volt ?[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]I've seen these different model numbers but don't know what they mean. [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Pd9260[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Pd9260c[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Pd9260cv[/font]
 
Mobilesport said:
Sternwakde wrote
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]"The PD's charge wizard/pendant can force it to seek 14.4v or 14.8v if that specific model (14.8v) is chosen"[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Is there a model number for the pd9260 that provides the 14.8 volt ?[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]I've seen these different model numbers but don't know what they mean. [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Pd9260[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Pd9260c[/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Pd9260cv[/font]

I've only read about the 14.8v PD option on RV.net, I can't find a link to a 14.8v ABSV unit.  Perhaps e mail them direct or call:

http://www.progressivedyn.com/power_converters_9200.html

Hope the rumor was not false.  Lots of converter threads/wars on rv.net.

Glad I went with the Meanwell instead.
 
SternWake said:
I've only read about the 14.8v PD option on RV.net, I can't find a link to a 14.8v ABSV unit.  Perhaps e mail them direct or call:

http://www.progressivedyn.com/power_converters_9200.html

Hope the rumor was not false.  Lots of converter threads/wars on rv.net.

Glad I went with the Meanwell instead.
I want the Meanwell but I don't want to have to open it up and void the warranty , I plan to work It hard.
I emailed them earlier today but since its Sunday I have to wait , I need a charger bad so I was hoping to get the model number and order asap.
Thanks for all the info and thanks for taking the time
 
One can remove the lid easily( 5 screws)  and likely add more fans without voiding warranty, but to add a 10 turn potentiometer required removing circuit board from casing, and the transistors mount to the casing as they use the casing as a heatsink.  These screws holding the transistors have a glob of green glue on them that makes it obvious when they are unscrewed.  The transistors need some thermal grease compound between the pad and the casing, and this stuff is messy to remove and relatively expensive to buy.




The PD is likely one of the best 'order now get here ASAP' options available to you.  Make sure it comes with the wizard or pendant as some do not and perhaps that could be the c cc ccv aspects to the different model numbers..

Still very disappointed to hear so much about powermax failures on their adjustable voltage models.  I do not like the charging algorithm of their 3 or 4 stage automatic converters, but hear of those failing often too 

The pd9260 or pd9270 amp 14.8v model, if available, would be better for generator recharging.  Try calling them direct during michigan business hours tomorrow.

The Meanwell, well you do not HAVE to change out the potentiometer, you could adjust it the one time to 14.8v + .2 for voltage drop on the wiring to battery, and just keep it there.  A small jewelers screwdriver and a light touch is required to dial in the voltage precisely with the tiny voltage trim pot, unloaded/ unconnected to a battery.  I went several weeks before I added the ten turn voltage trim pot.

However I do feel it would be best to increase its ventilation/ heat dispersion capabilities in your intended usage where it will be maxed out for 2 to 3 hours before amps start tapering.

My meanwell rarely stays at full output more than 40 minutes charging my single 90Ah Northstar AGM, but this battery has a couple hundred cycles on it now.  When new it could take max amperage for longer before reaching absorption voltage.

If you care to perform EQ charges  to extend battery longevity, via generator you will need something that can go as high as 16 volts but I think in the past you said that you don't really mind replacing them somewhat prematurely when their diminishing capacity fails to  meet your needs.

Best wishes for high amps reaching your depleted batteries soon.
 
Its looking good about getting a refund for the powermax.

I bought a Meanwell Rsp 750-15

I couldn't find a 14.8 volt version for the pd9260c

I did find a 14.8 volt version of the pd9245c the model number for it is pd9245c-14.8

How many wires lead to the potentiohmeter on the Meanwell?
 
Three legs on The mini v trim pot provided . Only two wires required to remote potentiometer .

Can you solder on electronics fairly precisely? I struggled back then but now would have confidence since I have a lot more practice.
 

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