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[font=Lato, Arial, sans-serif]COSTILLA COUNTY, Colo. (CBS4) – Officials in Costilla County say they arrested one man, identified as Jesper Jorgenson, on arson charges for the Spring Fire.[/font]

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/06...-fire-costilla-huerfano-county-forest-closed/

Apparently Costilla County has been a flashpoint for conflict between local residents and aspiring "off-gridders" for some years. A youtubber, Alex Ansary has tried putting down roots there and got booted by code enforcement along with many others:



Here's a city 2015 council meeting there where the issue was "discussed"

 
Yes, we get your points.

But what are you trying to accomplish?

A single thread, or one per state, listing "places we are no longer welcome to boondock long-term" would perhaps be constructive I suppose.
 
Thanks for the article. Another reminder of how we should value our wilderness areas.
 
DLTooley said:
I think Colorado is a tipping point State.

Colorado has been a destination for "off-gridders" for some years now. I know since the late 60's it was flooded with hippies and other young adventurist types, sometimes drawn in by popular media like John Denver, Steve Miller's "Rocky Mountain High" (wow, doesn't that have new relevance) and the increasing popularity of backpacking and climbing. The Aspen area used to be just another ski town with cheap motel prices in the off season. Now it's some of the most expensive real estate on earth and the surrounding areas are filled with multi-millionairs' massive chateaus. Gonzo journalist Hunter Thompson had a small cabin near there where he used to fire his collection of firearms off his porch while sipping whisky. For better or worse those days are gone.

An anarchist group, Squat the Planet (they still have a web site) set up a little community of tents etc. in hills near Boulder until a local sheriff dragged their leader off to a deserted road and murdered him in cold blood. He is not alone in that sentiment. And the sentiment has probably only grown since that time. 

Colorado's flammability of the landscape there adds to residents' concerns of course. And this last incident of course could be THE tipping incident. Apparently someone of foreign origin intentionally set one (at least) of the fires currently raging in Colorado. The parallels to the infamous Reichstag Fire which the Nazis exploited to declare marshal law in Germany and suspend elections are alarming.


My experience in Colorado (as well as elsewhere) is that there are many there who moved from more populated areas - most notably California. People moving to more rural areas in the expectation that they are escaping the troubles of the city - crime, homelessness, immorality, congestion, pollution. When perceive it springing up in their midst, it sparks the fear that it's happening all over again and they take rapid measures to cut off what they perceive as the bud of their troubled past home before it spreads.

All this has massive relevance to boondockers, full-time RVers, aspiring off-gridders as we may see locking of forest access roads, defunding of federal agencies, and increasingly oppressive law enforcement measures to stem nomadic lifestyles of all kinds. And it's probably no coincidence that these measures serve more than the goals of Colorado rural residents.
 
AreWeLostYet said:
Apparently someone of foreign origin intentionally set one (at least) of the fires currently raging in Colorado. The parallels to the infamous Reichstag Fire which the Nazis exploited to declare marshal law in Germany and suspend elections are alarming.
I am not quite clear on the parallel there, could you please fill in the gaps?

Also with this

> And it's probably no coincidence that these measures serve more than the goals of Colorado rural residents.

Are you just talking about the general social pressures for everyone to be conforming to a high work ethic?

Or something more specific?

Your political-economic philosophy just isn't clear to me.
 
AreWeLostYet said:
All this has massive relevance to boondockers, full-time RVers, aspiring off-gridders as we may see locking of forest access roads, defunding of federal agencies, and increasingly oppressive law enforcement measures to stem nomadic lifestyles of all kinds.
No "may" about it, would only be avoided by a major political, even spiritual, revolution in the US's current culture.

Question is, what is your point, how can these trends be slowed down?
 
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measures to stem nomadic lifestyles
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It's not "nomadic" lifestyles that's the problem, it's the idiots being stupid. See 3:30 on,


So, bump up leaving garbage in the backcountry to being a capital offense. The problem isn't the rangers, it's that there are too damn many dumb people. Unfortunately, the average IQ in america is dropping rapidly. Smart people are in general too smart to breed like lemmings. 

How's that for a different take to the general theme of all of these recent threads. Or as Forrest Gump would say "Stupid as Stupid Does".
 
The fires, garbage, violence etc

are just one of the causes behind ever fewer places we can rotate between van dwelling. Call it Scylla.

Reduced funding for gov services is the Charybdis, or between a rock and a hard place.

Then you have ever increasing demand, usage levels for the non-sanctioned dwelling usage, as opposed to the well-off's recreational usage.
 
Scylla is stupid people doing stupid things. Charybdis is politics, and this isn't supposed to be a forum on politics, from what I gather. There are a bazillion forums on flaming politics already. I've seen good forums destroyed by too much off-topic posting, where people come with an agenda counter to the "underlying" theme of the forum. Good ideas end up getting submerged under layers of whatever you want to call it.
 
QinReno said:
Scylla is stupid people doing stupid things. Charybdis is politics, and this isn't supposed to be a forum on politics, from what I gather. There are a bazillion forums on flaming politics already. I've seen good forums destroyed by too much off-topic posting, where people come with an agenda counter to the "underlying" theme of the forum. Good ideas end up getting submerged under layers of whatever you want to call it.

What could be more relevant to living on public lands than something that could lock those lands up?
 
QinReno said:
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measures to stem nomadic lifestyles
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It's not "nomadic" lifestyles that's the problem, it's the idiots being stupid. See 3:30 on,


So, bump up leaving garbage in the backcountry to being a capital offense. The problem isn't the rangers, it's that there are too damn many dumb people. Unfortunately, the average IQ in america is dropping rapidly. Smart people are in general too smart to breed like lemmings. 

How's that for a different take to the general theme of all of these recent threads. Or as Forrest Gump would say "Stupid as Stupid Does".


So cramming more drug addicted hillbillies into prisons (at public expense) is going to solve anything?
 
I wonder how much of the Colorado problem will be due to the weed issue.
 
RVTravel said:
I wonder how much of the Colorado problem will be due to the weed issue.

If you'd asked a couple of years ago, I'd have said a lot. But now that big business has jumped into the caddibusiness, it is has "economic immunity" from being blamed for just about anything.
 
I'm reminded of a story from a few years ago where a major fire had been started by a smokejumper wanting work.
 
MrNoodly said:
I'm reminded of a story from a few years ago where a major fire had been started by a smokejumper wanting work.

Many, many wildfires were started by "firefighters".  The Malibu fire a few years back was started by a couple of firefighter cadets in training who thought it would better their chances of getting hired as real firemen if they were the first to report the fire and say they tried valiantly to put it out. I've heard many, many such stories. Shows the priority employment has with some people among other things. "Dedication to duty" - Ya right.
 
here's another thread that is not really helping anyone. let me make a few things clear,

you are not allowed to live on public land. you can camp, hike, vacation, hunt, fish etc. but you are not allowed to live. it's the law. if you don't like the law change it, until then move every 14 days.

until a thread comes up without all this hyperbole I am going to close them, period. highdesertranger
 
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