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LeeRevell

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Does your vehicle have an Event Data Recorder?  In the website above, click on the red box to see the list of which vehicles - from 1994 to 2014 - have these devices.    An interesting read.  Apparently my 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan is clean - only the Durango is listed for that year, and NO Chryslers!  Fords and GMs are 'eat up' (as they say here in bubbaville) with this gadgetry.  Turns out, Big Brother really IS watching you....  drive!   :-/
 
LeeRevell said:
http://www.harristechnical.com/

 Turns out, Big Brother really IS watching you....  drive!   :-/

Big Brother isn't watching you every step of the way. The EDR records specific data that, once downloaded by special equipment, can be analyzed to provide further information in case of a crash if and only if, you or your lawyers are willing to pay the price for having this company do their thing.

I'll keep mine - in case some idiot hits me, I have an additional way to prove that I was doing the speed limit, braking, etc. etc.

From the pdf at the site:

The amount and type of information stored, and the conditions that will cause a crash record to

be created, varies greatly. For the most part, a crash record will consist of approximately five

seconds of pre-impact data that can include vehicle speed, brake application, engine speed,

throttle position and more. A record may also include crash force information.
 
they can also use the stored info to void your warranty. in fact when this first started that's was its purpose. highdesertranger
 
From website Mainstreet.com, April 2015:

"Fact: most rental cars are equipped with navigation and GPS systems. Are they used against drivers? Well, yes and no. The yes part is that, starting around a dozen years ago, newspapers were filled with sad stories of rental car customers “fined” hundreds - sometimes thousands - of dollars for violating the terms of their contracts. How? In one celebrated case, Acme Rent-a-Car of New Haven fined a particular customer $450 ($150 per incident) for exceeding posted speed limits. The customer had not received traffic citations. And the customer sued. The judge ruled against Acme. He did not dispute the right to track. But he said there was insufficient “notification” to make the fines justified.

In another famous case a Payless customer expected a bill for $259.51. He was instead slapped with a bill for $3,405.05, which was reached by adding a $1 per mile to each of the 2,874 miles he had driven, because he had crossed the California state line into Nevada and, later, he drove into Arizona. That triggered the fines, because the contract prohibited leaving the state.

In many more cases, numerous Florida car rental companies are notorious for literally shutting off engines of cars that cross state lines. The cars may be restarted upon agreement to pay new fees.

Is this legal? Neil Abrams, a car rental consultant in Purchase, N.Y., said, “It is legal as long as it disclosed.” As the Acme case illustrated, however, disclosure has to be loud and in a renter’s face. Fine print footnotes buried in a multi page contract may not be good enough for many courts.

What’s more, Abrams said that from his seat, use of tracking was much more prevalent a few years ago, perhaps because companies were exploring the limits of new technologies. “It was more true a few years ago," said Abrams. "There was a spotlight on it. It’s much less frequent now.” As customer anger grew - and negative newspaper stories multiplied - the big, national companies cut way back on use of tracking tools.

Case in point: Enterprise Rent-a-Car, in response to a reporter's question, issued a flat denial: “We do not install cameras in our vehicles. Enterprise Rent-A-Car, National Car Rental and Alamo Rent A Car passenger vehicles come equipped with only standard technology, as provided by automobile manufacturers. For example, some of our GM vehicles are equipped with OnStar technology – however, we can’t access the technology without an official police report (to document that a vehicle is lost or missing).”

Other big players have similar policies.

But driver tracking still happens at small, independent companies, Abrams said."


My old van may not be but your car rental could be...
 
I have Flo insuring my bike, but would never allow a tracking device from her. Just the way I roll. And I seldom speed..... much. When traveling by car/van I have a speed warning set on my Magellan Roadmate GPS for 10MPH over the posted limit. If it squalks, I slow down. If I suspect the cops are picky, I set it for 5MPH over.
 
I just use cruise control!!

I like being able to come over the top of the hill on the highway and see the police radar trap sitting there. I refrain from thumbing my nose at them as I cruise past at well within the limit...lol.
 
I read somewhere the insurance trackers are only looking for drivers out at midnight till 3AM. Peak accident times.

I switched to GEICO to get my 30% discount.
 
Almost There said:
I just use cruise control!!

I like being able to come over the top of the hill on the highway and see the police radar trap sitting there. I refrain from thumbing my nose at them as I cruise past at well within the limit...lol.

Yep, I also use the cruise control on the highway.  But when traffic is heavy, I don't.
Last year Mom and I drove a brand new Avis rental Ford F150 4X4 up to Indiana to her 60th high school reunion.  Nice truck!  The cruise control was so nice and precise, I drove much of the way using it, as it was so quick and easy to change speeds up and down.  Still used my GPS speed monitor too.  No idea if the truck had any 'extra' peeping tom gadget onboard.
 
Lots of Toyota's and Honda's on the list but no Mitsubishi's except one that was a rebadged Dodge Dakota. I am fine installing a datalogger on my car so I can go back and see exactly what was gong on but having one installed from the factory that I can't read without special tools/programs is not cool.

I was a little surprised to see the Kodiak/Topkick on the list, it's probably a selling point to uhual and other truck rental companies.
 
Toll bridge cameras are tracking you too.  No cops, no notice, just a bill in the mail.  They use facial recognition technology in their cameras and can tell how many passengers you have in your car.  Yesterday, I just got fed up with it all and flipped them the bird for their ponderance.  I'm developing my own road 'signs.'  :)

Loan companies, including banks, as well as leasing agencies can all switch your car off if you don't pay on time, and they frequently do from what I hear.

America, the land of the free.  Yeah, right!  'Course Canada's no better.  Sigh....


Jesse.
 
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