how would you use $50,000 at age 70?

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really find it perplexing. how can anyone use $50,000 a year at age 70? &nbsp;lets say you save up $300,000 in value between your house worth and your retirement. this is very realistic to many.&nbsp;<br><br>thats $15000 to $20000 per year in rent or just interest in a savings account in many desireable healthy economies.&nbsp;<br><br>add to that $20000 in social security. you get $35,000 to $50,000 in income a year. &nbsp; &nbsp;<br><br>-----<br><br>but how can you spend that much at age 70? &nbsp;you have all your toys, &nbsp;you have medicare. &nbsp;your kids are grown and should be taking care of themselves. yes spoil the grandkids, and maybe mess them up by giving them free cars and free education. &nbsp;
 
maybe people want the AAA rated nursing homes with gold plate drool cups. opinions, trools, bullies, nut jobs welcome with discussion.&nbsp;
 
Oh...don't worry about it...the government will find a way to use the money.&nbsp; Its not right for you to have more than you need!
 
&nbsp;We lived in Pittsburgh, Pa. for about 40 years where the cost of living is low compared to the rest of the country. Money saved from paid off mortgages and money coming in from social security are also lower so it's all relative. We know several people with more money coming in then they need. What they do is save it. They've been saving money all of their lives and it's very hard for them to switch to spending it on anything whether it be vacations, replacements for worn out furniture or even necessary things like dental care. Part of it is worry about paying for nursing homes but I think that it's mostly just a lifetime of being frugal.<br><br>&nbsp;On the other hand we also know many people who have worked hard all of their lives but haven't managed to save much, didn't make a profit from selling their house and don't get much money from social security. Everyone who is retired doesn't have large amounts of extra money.
 
Everyone who's 70 is also not necessarily a physical wreck and on the verge of dropping dead!
 
offroad said:
maybe people want the AAA rated nursing homes with gold plate drool cups. opinions, trools, bullies, nut jobs welcome with discussion.&nbsp;
<br><br>$50K/year wouldn't even get you a poorly rated nursing home.
 
mockturtle - holy smokes. you are so right. they want $100,000 per year for a nursing home. Assisted living is $30,000 per year.&nbsp;<br><br>so you might need to have a million dollar savings to generate money needed.&nbsp;
 
Off road

I think you're overestimating the case, a bit.

300k will prove a 12k Nnual income for approximately 25 years, using conventional planning, based on historical data using a 60/40 stock/bond mix, taking inflation into account . Money tied up in home equity does not offer a positive return, so lets just 300k in investments. SS pays 40% maximum, biased towards lower income. Someone earning the median of 50k would get 20k at best (average retiree per SSA is about $1200 per month). 32k total with an effective tax rate - stae and federal of about 15%. Let's say $4000 in taxes. 28k minus property insurance if they own a home: 2k a year? 26k or 2500 month.

Long term health care and supplementary insurance for 1 person. 300 a month? Hopefully he's had the LTC insurance for a long period of time or the amount in the account won't be significant. Statistics say the average person will use about 280k in health costs after retirement. That's going to eat up that savings. Even of Medicare covers the LTC, there's a 5 year look back period. If you die and are married, Uncle Sam can rexo their loss by taking everything out of your account AND your spouses account down to $1600. Doesn't leave you spouse much, unless she also has a LTC plan, in with that saved money is protected. Without LTC insurance and the policy starting around the mid 50s, plan on dying broke.

Food: 400. Gas, 200 if active. Car insurance 100. Electric/utilities 200. Lawn maintenance 30 . Cable 70. Internet 50.

Let me check my budget spreadsheet...
 
Contacts 40, prescriptions 20, health insurance (before 65) 600, clothing 50, ... Where are we so far?

650 a month left, thereabouts.

That's with no mortgage and no car payment. Haven't included fun stuff or car maintenance or cell phone. We're in a fairly low cost of living area.

So yes, that's a doable amount, but you won't be putting grandkid(s) through college. That also assumes you're not traveling a great deal or anything else. No charitable giving or eating out, or movies. What happens when the car needs replaced, or the furnace goes out? Going to take money out of the investments or save some of that remaing 650 a month for an emergency fund?

It's quite easy to spend that much to live; or to survive. Living might cost more.

Just my thoughts - opinions - at the moment, since I've been working on my retirement budget lol.
 
seraphim - thats accountant speak. you lost me. &nbsp; simplify help?&nbsp;
 
I will also add that, according to the SS website, 27% o retirees have no additional swings. About 50% or so have less than 25k. Only about 10% have net assets over 100k - so I think your 300k estimate is way above average.
 
Sorry. Very few people retiring have net assets of $300k. Maybe 7% of the population. Average, from an old SSA report, have about $25k. That will not provide a significant income. Even if someone had $300k invested, they could count on an income of $12k a year from that investment. (at that rate, the 300k will be gone in about 25 years.) That's a $1000 a month before taxes. Assume a 15% tax on investment money (for now) and that leaves 850 a month. Add 1200 a month (an average SSA payment) and that's 2050 a month - more conservative than what I used above.

Medical estimates for that 70 old year is he will spend 284000 dollars on medical expenses before he dies. That eats up that 300k one way or the other - before one dies, or after the government gets back the money they spent via Medicare from your estate. If you lave a surviving spouse, the government only has to leave her $1600 in savings. I didn't drop a zero in that number. I also added living expenses from my retirement budget to demonstrate That 2050 a month will get eaten up pretty quickly on basics., even assuming no mortgage, no car payment, and no financial crisis.

Long term health insurance, current rate about $290month per person, will create a savings the government cannot touch. It will help save a stock of money for a surviving spouse. DWand I are 57 - if we paid 580 a month, we would expect to build about 350k in that health account. That's protected from taxes after we die. If you're not married and don't want to leave money for kinds, it doesn't matter much. Once you die, if Medicare paid for long term care, they would take the money in your estate for reimbursement.

A person owning a home can live on that money, the 2050 a month, but he won't have anything to pay for grandkids college, as you suggested. He'd better save what he could for emergencies that will happen

Sorry I got verbose - a nasty habit of mine.
 
My MIL spent 5 years in assisted lining, then an Alzheimers unit. The cost averaged $60k a year. She was 84.
 

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