"Forest Service land is a rent-free option"

[AreWeLostYet]

[font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Forest Service moves toward permanent closure.[/font]

https://www.summitdaily.com/news/fo...ezuma-campers-moves-toward-permanent-closure/

 

[B and C]

From 2016. Another was posted from 2015.
Old news

 

[DannyB1954]

For at least a couple of years Bob has been preaching go live on public land. I think sooner or later it will get him an interview with Federal Agents. I am wondering even now if LE are looking for CRVL stickers on vehicles. Might as well have a sticker that says I live on public land cause Bob says it is OK.

 

[AreWeLostYet]

[font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Forest Service moves toward permanent closure.[/font]

https://www.summitdaily.com/news/fo...ezuma-campers-moves-toward-permanent-closure/

And you think the situation has improved since then ?

 

[lenny flank]

For at least a couple of years Bob has been preaching go live on public land. I think sooner or later it will get him an interview with Federal Agents. I am wondering even now if LE are looking for CRVL stickers on vehicles. Might as well have a sticker that says I live on public land cause Bob says it is OK.

Yep, it's all Bob's fault. His YouTube channel is the mightiest social force in 21st century America. I bet every National Park Ranger in the US has Bob's photo tacked up next to their desk. Heck, with all that massive power and influence, he should be a shoo-in for President in 2020.

 

[AreWeLostYet]

Yep, it's all Bob's fault. His YouTube channel is the mightiest social force in 21st century America. I bet every National Park Ranger in the US has Bob's photo tacked up next to their desk. Heck, with all that massive power and influence, he should be a shoo-in for President in 2020.

You said "president". Isn't that a political rant term.


We're not talking about global domination here. That's facebook's intention. But in the world of US public lands and those who administer them in an age when top leadership shows every intention of fencing the public out and putting up For Sale signs, anyone who could complicate those plans is indeed considered worthy of note. You're naive to say the least to not consider the possibility.

 

[AreWeLostYet]

For at least a couple of years Bob has been preaching go live on public land. I think sooner or later it will get him an interview with Federal Agents. I am wondering even now if LE are looking for CRVL stickers on vehicles. Might as well have a sticker that says I live on public land cause Bob says it is OK.

Kind of like that global dominance social media where you post your opinions and leadership preferences and the you either get an avalance of posts reinforcing your opinion with artificially generated disinformation ("fake news") or you are buried criticism of everything you're revealed online by trolls in some "farm" somewhere.

 

[lenny flank]

This place sure gets humorous sometimes.

Silly, but humorous.

 

[DannyB1954]

When Bob tried the Summer RTR in Flagstaff How long did it take for them to find him, and who got the ticket?
I never said all the closures and enforcement were the result of Bob, but I also didn't say he wasn't part of the problem as well.
The videos of him encouraging people to live on public land have been seen by thousands and are still available to see. You think that nobody in the Forest Service has ever seen his videos?
If living on Federal land is not legal, than why would recommending it be legal?
I never told anyone to not put or remove a CRVL sticker on their rig, I just would not do it. LE sees that sticker and they have probably already formed an opinion of you.

 

[AreWeLostYet]

When Bob tried the Summer RTR in Flagstaff How long did it take for them to find him, and who got the ticket?
I never said all the closures and enforcement were the result of Bob, but I also didn't say he wasn't part of the problem as well.
The videos of him encouraging people to live on public land have been seen by thousands and are still available to see. You think that nobody in the Forest Service has ever seen his videos?  
If living on Federal land is not legal, than why would recommending it be legal?  
I never told anyone to not put or remove a CRVL sticker on their rig, I just would not do it. LE sees that sticker and they have probably already formed an opinion of you.

Maybe Bob's just calling the "Feds" out. Anticipating an eventual showdown, it may be best to just let the administrati0n do what they're gonna do so we can have it out in the courts and gated and locked roadheads.

 

[John61CT]

Such drama. Their primary function is to care for the land. If we could put energy into solutions to the very real here-and-now problems, maybe it won't need to come to full on dystopia.

Starting with increased funding for gov services to meet the rising demand.

Increased usage will require either higher funding or closure, no way around that.

 

[AreWeLostYet]

Such drama. Their primary function is to care for the land. If we could put energy into solutions to the very real here-and-now problems, maybe it won't need to come to full on dystopia.

Starting with increased funding for gov services to meet the rising demand.

Increased usage will require either higher funding or closure, no way around that.

The primary function of many is profit off the land, with no regard to the future of the land.

There's a sign post up ahead. It reads "Welcome To Dystopia". Your stated dilemma is correct. And I don't see even maintenance of current funding of land management a remote possibility.

 

[QinReno]

>>>>
Forest Service moves toward permanent closure.
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On reading the article, old as it is, they weren't closing the entire world as we know it, just a stretch along Montezuma Rd where: (1) people WERE living more or less permanently, (2) people had left huge messes, (3) where there were a lot of bears, and (4) some bears had attacked people sleeping in tents. So, either shoot all the bears, or deal with the root problem. All told there are probably many 100s of NF areas that have been closed off as result of a few brainless morons.

Also, I've watched a LOT of Bob's videos, and I've not seen him much advocate being illegal. He usually says "it's legal to camp here for 2-weeks, but then we have to move to stay legal". And I imagine he pretty well follows his own advice. There are too many great places to see in the west. OTOH, sometimes Bob clearly acknowledges his dark side...

 

[AreWeLostYet]

>>>>
Forest Service moves toward permanent closure.
>>>>
On reading the article, old as it is, they weren't closing the entire world as we know it, just a stretch along Montezuma Rd where: (1) people WERE living more or less permanently, (2) people had left huge messes, (3) where there were a lot of bears, and (4) some bears had attacked people sleeping in tents. So, either shoot all the bears, or deal with the root problem. All told there are probably many 100s of NF areas that have been closed off as result of a few brainless morons.

Also, I've watched a LOT of Bob's videos, and I've not seen him much advocate being illegal. He usually says "it's legal to camp here for 2-weeks, but then we have to move to stay legal". And I imagine he pretty well follows his own advice. There are too many great places to see in the west. OTOH, sometimes Bob clearly acknowledges his dark side...

The article is from Aug 2017. There are similar articles, mostly throughout Colorado. It's clearly a trend the authorities are taking more and more seriously. The USFS ranger said the issue goes back 20 years. He went on to say “Occupying the forest for residential purposes is prohibited."

And he said "You can kind of tell," he said. "There's a prohibition against living on the forest, even for a night. If you're camping and then you get up in the morning and go to your job, then that's residing." So I guess if you're workamping, you'd better not be doing it on USFS land.

 

[tx2sturgis]

Who's Bob?

:huh:

 

[QinReno]

Shirley, you jest.

 

[AreWeLostYet]

Not according to the US Forest Service in the Rocky Mountain Region.

"[font=adobe-caslon-pro, Georgia, serif]Rocky Mountain Region of the Forest Service has one of the worst nonrecreational camping problems in the country,"[/font]


[font=adobe-caslon-pro, Georgia, serif]Article "Danger in the Forest" in Denver magazine 5280 :[/font]
[font=adobe-caslon-pro, Georgia, serif]January 2018[/font]

[font=adobe-caslon-pro, Georgia, serif]https://www.5280.com/2018/01/danger-in-the-forest/[/font]

 

[tx2sturgis]

Yeah don't call me Shirley.

 

[AreWeLostYet]

>>>>
Forest Service moves toward permanent closure.
>>>>
On reading the article, old as it is, they weren't closing the entire world as we know it, just a stretch along Montezuma Rd where: (1) people WERE living more or less permanently, (2) people had left huge messes, (3) where there were a lot of bears, and (4) some bears had attacked people sleeping in tents. So, either shoot all the bears, or deal with the root problem. All told there are probably many 100s of NF areas that have been closed off as result of a few brainless morons.

Also, I've watched a LOT of Bob's videos, and I've not seen him much advocate being illegal. He usually says "it's legal to camp here for 2-weeks, but then we have to move to stay legal". And I imagine he pretty well follows his own advice. There are too many great places to see in the west. OTOH, sometimes Bob clearly acknowledges his dark side...

It's what Bob is not telling (and may not be aware of) that causes me concern. And reports of antagonistic confrontations between rangers and nomads are beginning to appear in the threads. Nomads of all kinds are being lumped in with the homeless in the press and Mr and Mrs American weekend RVer along with people with homes in wildfire country, especially seeing what happened in Santa Rosa CA last summer and this summer all over Colorado are receptive to those who offer up nomads as sacrificial scapegoats to get them elected.

 

[John61CT]

Aaargh.

And. . . what?

What is the goal of all these dire observations / predictions?

Are you hoping to dissuade people from joining "the movement"?