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The problem with self-driving cars, no matter how good they get, is that humans will always still do stupid things randomly.
 
wrong, not the first. right, not the last.
 
lenny flank said:
The problem with self-driving cars, no matter how good they get, is that humans will always still do stupid things randomly.

And because stupid things happen randomly, at some point, for self-driving cars to be fully implemented, they will have to be programmed to make ethical decisions.

You're a passenger in your self-driving car cruising down the road, when a woman chasing her runaway baby stroller runs into the road, both blocking your path without time to apply enough brakes to stop. Does the car plow heedlessly into them and kill them, or does it instead choose to veer off the road and potentially kill its occupant (you)? What if you had your child in the back seat, would the car then be unable to decide? Would you buy a car that is programmed to kill you under certain circumstances?
 
I'm fine with it as long as their overall record gets better than the average human driver.

Lot of OTR drivers going to be out of work, lot of states that the biggest employer.

Our healthiest economy will only need to employ maybe 10-20% of the population.
 
Just another way to price vehicles so high the average person can afford one.  That way we will gladly take public mass transportation and live in cities.  Follow the money!
 
Day will come, sooner rather than later, humans driving will be illegal.

Probably after internal combustion's banned though.
 
Latest is that the woman stepped into the traffic lane mid block, however as 'human' drivers we try our best to avoid hitting those who screw up...such as a kid chasing a ball into the street. I wonder if these autonomous systems can do a violent evasive swerve versus just slamming on the brakes when the 'sensor' detects an 'obstacle'?? That victim ain't coming back no matter how many 'CTL-ALT-DEL'.  RIP   :(
Also revealed is that the (backup) driver behind the wheel was a felon who had done time for attempted armed robbery...usually a dis-qualifier for ride share employment. (Arizona ??) Uber could be hit with criminal charges as well as the civil liability.

Personally I hate the idea of computers in cars...my only concession (if I was King) would be an ECM for ignition and fuel injection...BUT it would have a replacement cost of $100 or less! Keep the 'chips' out of the brakes, steering, and throttle.

[(The late) Prof Stephen Hawking, has said that efforts to create thinking machines pose a threat to our very existence.
He told the BBC:"The development of full artificial intelligence could spell the end of the human race."

Prof Hawking says the primitive forms of artificial intelligence developed so far have already proved very useful, but he fears the consequences of creating something that can match or surpass humans.
"It would take off on its own, and re-design itself at an ever increasing rate," he said.

"Humans, who are limited by slow biological evolution, couldn't compete, and would be superseded."]


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Don't know what happened to video...it played in the 'pre-posting' window, but not once posted. ??

Tried a different one and it did the same.





First is "I'm sorry, Dave..."
Second is 'if HAL 9000 was Alexa'
 
"I wonder if these autonomous systems can do a violent evasive swerve versus just slamming on the brakes when the 'sensor' detects an 'obstacle'??"

It's being reported that the vehicle didn't apply and or deploy it's breaking system... I believe the victim was also walking a bike. The vehicle should have had multiple sensory objects/targets to detect moving towards or in front of the vehicle...
 
I heard on the news the woman "darted" out of nowhere an not at a crosswalk and that not even a human driver could have avoided hitting her.  Those of us who color outside the lines may be in trouble when the self driving vehicles take over.
 
John61CT said:
Lot of OTR drivers going to be out of work, lot of states that the biggest employer.

My bet is, AVs will hit their stride in 2050; albeit not in the east. Finger on the pulse says drivers will be "in" the trucks. Think airplanes.

There are displaced responsibility on commercial drivers at this time; I wonder how this will fair when there is no one to blame except the equipment (read: no scapegoats). Heck, some companies want to deflect blame now with the driver facing cameras. Tesla semis are showing to be a front-runner.
 
Arizona police release Uber in vehicle video of the accident..

The following link is a youtube video of the accident.

This link can be hazardous to limited data plans, don't follow it.

 
Seeing that video, it definitely looks 'avoidable'.
I had originally thought she had stepped from the 'right hand' curb into the path; but this clearly shows her going across left to right, and impacted at the right headlight meaning she 'almost' made it.
The camera seems to make her appear 'out of nowhere', but I would think human eyes would have noticed something and allowed an attempt at swerving. A quick jog to the left should have been the reflex response.

Of course those human eyes would need to be paying attention which this 'backup driver' is clearly not doing. Looking down at something just before impact.

If I was the local prosecutor assigned to this, there would be charges filed.

On the flip side this 'should' get these f...ing robots off the road.

Will Smith's character had it right in "I, Robot".
Stephen Hawking warned us in 'real life'.

Will we learn anything? :(
 
closeanuf said:
Just another way to price vehicles so high the average person can afford one.  That way we will gladly take public mass transportation and live in cities.  Follow the money!


It'll make private ownership of vehicles unnecessary. Any time you need a car to go somewhere, you'll just call for an autonomous vehicle to come and pick you up. It'll be like the Johnny Cabs in "Total Recall".

We vandwellers will be in trouble......   ;)
 
johnny b said:
Seeing that video, it definitely looks 'avoidable'.

I could be persuaded either way, but that does not look like something I would anticipate/avoid. Someone walking in black sweatshirt across an area where there shouldn't be pedestrian traffic...? Based on the video I'm convinced I would have run her over too, although your point stands that we don't know how it looked in person. 

What we don't really have a measurement from this discussion is how many times this has been avoided by self driving cars. If not already, self driving cars will have faster reflexes, better at judging distances, understanding vehicle limits, probabilities etc. than the average driver. And computers are spending 100% of their resources driving relative to humans who are texting, thinking about their recent breakup or sports team, changing the radio, etc.

In 20 years we'll be looking back wondering why we trusted so many casual, disinterested civilians to be in control of 3 tons of steel, everyday, everywhere. Insuring a car that you drive yourself is surely to get more expensive (or insuring self-driving cars will be quite cheap)
 
Stealth camping will not be needed in an age of self driving vehicles.


Just program it to drive around the block all night and curl up in the back and go to sleep;)
 

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