Quartzsite LTVA Fee Hike

The proposed fee hike at the LTVAs in Arizona I think is going to be very detrimental to the Quartzsite community as well as the campers that look forward to using the La Posa LTVA. Many of the users of the LTVA have minimum incomes and the LTVA has provided a community experience as well as providing a safe and affordable place to stay. Giving many, who may otherwise be homeless, a home for seven months. I feel it will be a cruel blow to many. The fee hikes of $600 and $200 is far too much IMO.

Below is an extract from the BLM LTVS business plan...
This business plan outlines proposed changes to the current recreation fee program for the LongTerm Visitor Areas (LTVAs) located in Arizona. The Business Plan proposes to increase currentfees from $180 to $600 per long-term permit, and from $40 to $200 per short-term permit. Itwould also modify the short-term permit length from 14 days to 30 days.This business plan was prepared pursuant to the Federal Lands Recreation Enhancement Act(FLREA) of 2004 (16 United States Code (U.S.C.) 6801-6814), and the Bureau of LandManagement (BLM) recreation fee program policy.A 45-day comment period will be held from September 6-October 21, 2024. During that timepublic meetings and information sessions will be held online and in the various LTVA locationsto present information about the proposed fee increases. Comments regarding the proposed feemodification can be sent to: BLM Yuma Field Office 7341 E 30th St Ste A Yuma AZ 85365.

https://www.blm.gov/sites/default/f... Areas Draft Business Plan_September 2024.pdf


-Winnie Nomad

Yes we've been discussing the news...........

https://vanlivingforum.com/threads/...-for-21st-century-outdoor-recreation-”.50641/

How hard is it in the US to come up with 100$/month to stay for 6 months = 600$ total?

There are 22 million millionaires in the US and there are a million ways in the US to beg for money with and/or without the internet.

One only needs to beg a hundred thousand of those 22 million millionaires to gift your begging 10 measly bux and you can become one of them!

I can get 100$ /month walking up & down the road getting exercise and picking up cash bottle & can returnables; and so can any able bodied person figure out away to amass the egregiously filthy rich amount of 100$/month.

Not able bodied? Refer back to paragraphs 2 & 3 of this post.

I know it’s exceedingly difficult for most Murahkans with their sense of entitlement and first world problems but come on try and lose ur “poor needy victim complex”.

If it was just me, I’d bump it up to a thousand or even 1200$ for 6 months.
INTJohn

INTJohn said:

How hard is it in the US to come up with 100$/month to stay for 6 months = 600$ total?

There are 22 million millionaires in the US and there are a million ways in the US to beg for money with and/or without the internet.

One only needs to beg a hundred thousand of those 22 million millionaires to gift your begging 10 measly bux and you can become one of them!

I can get 100$ /month walking up & down the road getting exercise and picking up cash bottle & can returnables; and so can any able bodied person figure out away to amass the egregiously filthy rich amount of 100$/month.

Not able bodied? Refer back to paragraphs 2 & 3 of this post.

I know it’s exceedingly difficult for most Murahkans with their sense of entitlement and first world problems but come on try and lose ur “poor needy victim complex”.

If it was just me, I’d bump it up to a thousand or even 1200$ for 6 months.
INTJohn

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Bet our government is spending many more of our tax dollars to try to solve the homeless problem. Maybe just put an additional tax on lottery tickets, legal weed and booze should be no problem with funding then and make well regulated public camping available all over the country for those that can no longer afford sticks and bricks! Lol!!!

$1200 sounds fair, $600 sounds like a steal to me. That's what I love about flying. The government builds me airports all over the country so I can land, fuel, park, most have loaner cars, many you can shower & sleep in all for free. Mackinac Island is the only one I've paid anything at & no free car use. Our local airport spent $1.1 million on the last resurface. I think your tax $$ was well spent. Bigger ones like South Bend they park or fuel your plane & have great lounges with food, soft drinks, etc. First class all the way whether it's a 1938 or new Leer jet everyone's equal. All MI airports have the same door code.

It is not so much the $100 it is coming up with $ 600 all at once! That is a big difference when a monthly income is not huge. I am already saving up for a different $600+ dollar hit that comes around in April on tax day. My extra revenue that pays for that stuff is not a steady stream all year around.

But all it means is after this year I will not stay in the LTVA as there are plenty of other places to stay for no fees.I do not have a big RV with a shower, flush toilet, kitchen sink a big fresh tank and waste water tank etc. Those are the people who most need the LTVA areas. They are also the ones who make it close to unpleasant to be there with the noisy OHV and big generators.

So not a huge loss in my life other than moving around a bit more.

Permit cost aside, I envision the LTVA's to soon be the last legal refuge for residential camping.

LoupGarou said:

Permit cost aside, I envision the LTVA's to soon be the last legal refuge for residential camping.

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Even the LTVAs cannot be considered “residential” camping. That is not what they are designed to provide. You are by legal definition a visitor, not a resident. The LTVA have never been legal areas for “residential camping”. Try not to get confused about that or convince other people that those areas allow anyone to become an actual “resident” of the Long Term Visitor Areas.

^^^*But you might be getting confused about the state of Arizona Department of Motor Vehicles and Driver’s licenses potentially accepting proof of payment for a long term LTVA stay to become a resident of the state of Arizona who has or intends to stay 6 months of the year in the state. That is a whole different scenario with its own exceptions and definitions. I am certainly not qualified to sort out what the Arizona DVM thinks about staying at an LTVA.

bullfrog ! said:

...our tax dollars to try to solve the homeless problem. Maybe just put an additional tax on lottery tickets, legal weed and booze...! Lol!!!

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